Forum Activity for @Sebastian

Sebastian
@Sebastian
06/02/14 18:00:26
754 posts

Travel Programs in 2015 - Where Would You Like To Go?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

While Indonesia is the 3rd largest cocoa producing country in the world, it may not be the best in terms of getting a comprehensive cocoa understanding - one of the issues is that very, very, VERY few people in Indonesia ferment their beans. additionally, most cocoa is grown on the island of Sulawesi - although to be certain there is some grown on the other islands as well. bali's a pretty cool touristy spot to visit, but if you're looking for more ... authentic ... experiences i might point you to luwu utara in Sulawesi and visit rantepao for some very unique experiences. i'm sure i could connect you with some places that are fermenting there as well should you try to pull a trip together.

Adriennne Henson
@Adriennne Henson
06/02/14 06:32:22
32 posts

Travel Programs in 2015 - Where Would You Like To Go?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Bali sounds like a good destination but I also think the developed areas should not be left out in the chocolate area

Also Peru sounds good and Vietnam,India also is growing cocoa

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/30/14 13:34:44
1,689 posts

Travel Programs in 2015 - Where Would You Like To Go?


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

To all ChocolateLife members:

I have made a connection with travel company that specializes in affinity group, philanthropic, and donor travel programs. They have a strong business working with company and organizations interested in providing their members one-of-a-kind travel programs with some sort of sustainability and/or corporate social responsibility component.

They are asking me to be a subject matter expert when it comes to offering programs around cacao and chocolate and sustainable production.

It occurs to me that these are travel opportunities that ChocolateLife members might like, and that we could be an affinity group and organize our own travel programs.

The question is, "Where would you like to go?"

The company works all over the world except in developed countries. So, no destinations in the US or Europe and some countries in SE Asia. But that leaves all of Central and South America, the Caribbean, East and West Africa, Indonesia (Bali!), and more.

So I'd like to hear from members where they would most like to go. Based on your input I will work with the company to select some destinations and work up a rough list of the experiences we could have while we're there.

And then I will invite ChocolateLife members to join me on fabulous journeys to learn about cacao and chocolate all over the world.

Here's to travel and adventure,
:: Clay


updated by @Clay Gordon: 04/10/15 07:32:07
Glenn Knowles
@Glenn Knowles
05/29/14 17:36:21
19 posts

Chocovision Skimmer/Dispenser and Enrober - Looking for Hear Your Experiences


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks, Daniel. That is what I was thinking, so am a bit perplexed how well it works in practice.

Daniel Herskovic
@Daniel Herskovic
05/29/14 15:13:43
132 posts

Chocovision Skimmer/Dispenser and Enrober - Looking for Hear Your Experiences


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

He Glenn,

My enrober is definitely my most important piece of equipment. I have the Perfect 6 inch enrober. I have never seen the Chocovision enrober in action. I don't understand how it releases the chocolate. Most enrobers have a paper take off so that the enrobed pieces end up on a piece of paper. You then cut the paper and put it on a tray to fully crystallize. This chocovision is definitely the cheapest enrobing option I have seen. I wonder if there is a video of the machine in action?

Glenn Knowles
@Glenn Knowles
05/29/14 14:51:45
19 posts

Chocovision Skimmer/Dispenser and Enrober - Looking for Hear Your Experiences


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I use Rev Delta machines for moulding chocolates and have always done this by hand (i.e., a ladle). I am considering introducing enrobed chocolates to my line, and came across the Chocovision enrober as one option. I'd love to hear anyone's experience with the skimmer, dispenser or enrober before investing in these. Thank you!


updated by @Glenn Knowles: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Mike3
@Mike3
05/28/14 12:08:35
63 posts

Where to find chocolate bar boxes


Posted in: Classifieds ARCHIVE

I've been recently searching for an affordable source for chocolate bar boxes. I have received a few quotes and the pricing seems really high (almost a dollar per box when buying 1000 pieces without any printing). The box style i'm looking for is like what Patric used to use, or like Ritual Chocolate style boxes. I've gone through the discussions here and called a few of the companies suggested, but most only do truffle style boxes.Any suggestions would be appreciated.


updated by @Mike3: 04/07/25 13:00:14
CM2
@CM2
05/30/14 09:13:02
6 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thanks, Sebastian- you basically told me everything I needed in your first two responses, it just had to knock around in my head a couple days before it clicked. I really appreciate your help!

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/30/14 08:16:31
754 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

sorry guys, have been travelling a bit and unable to respond. looks like you've got most of it worked out, if you have more questions let me know. Ash your idea is ok as long as y ou run it through a heat exchanger (ie you don't want the air 'touching' the finished product as it's likely that some of the air will be drawn out of the roaster before the kill has occurred, resulting in a very efficient salmonella distribution system...) run it through an enclosed heat exchanger to prevent that.

CM2
@CM2
05/29/14 13:51:37
6 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Correction to my above post: of course there's a way around recycling that air. I'll be venting both the storage closet and the roaster room to the exterior of the building. This will create negative pressure and not re-circulate "dirty" air.

To Ash below- now that I've redesigned the floor plan, I won't be using Sebastian's through the wall idea after all. Pity, I thought it was a cool one!

Ash Maki
@Ash Maki
05/29/14 10:10:37
69 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi there, Seems to be a great idea doing the through the wall roaster. Just out of curiosity as I am drawing up a floor plan as well, on a bit of a larger scale,

Would there be any benefit to trying to harness the heat of the roaster to add to the clean room to keep the oils in the grinders and conch a bit warmer? Rather than what some people do by adding a heat gun. Provided the grinders had there own room and where not in your cooler tempering area.

Then provided you didn't put a door between the dirty and clean room and instead whent through another room first would it be easy enough to test your roast without having to walk all the way around each time. A very roaster specific question I suppose.

CM2
@CM2
05/28/14 14:44:33
6 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

PS- I just met with the owner, and it sounds like a variation on my plan will be workable. I think I'll go ahead and bring all walls to the ceiling. The roaster room includes the draw for air, so air will be pulled from adjacent rooms (clean room included) through the storage room, then through the roasting room and then into the filter. I suppose this creates something of a negative pressure storage room, if I draw out more air than I pull in? It also means drawing air from the storage room into the roaster room before it is drawn out again, but I'm not sure if there's a way around that.

CM2
@CM2
05/28/14 07:15:40
6 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi, Sebastian- yes, I apologize for not drawing doors, but all doorways (including the one from roasting to clean room) would have doors. And I don't see why I couldn't have the roaster discharge into the clean room (I gather that that encourages positive airflow outside the room?). There is a small vent into the roasting area, but the larger amount of air appears to flow from a larger vent into the clean room.

My overall space will be fully walled in from other rooms. Because the ceilings are very tall and sloping, I had heretofore thought I would wall in the bean storage space (I wish I had an exact figure, but I'd estimate the walls to be about 8 ft tall) but not add or reach a ceiling. I thought that would provide a barrier against small amounts of rising dust, but allow air flow into the closet from above, so the beans would not become too humid.

Likewise, I had envisioned another partial wall between the roasting room and clean room. I don't want to cut corners, as salmonella is something that terrifies me. It sounds like I should closely consider a floor to ceiling wall between the roasting and clean rooms- this would entirely enclose the roasting room and closet area. Again, I believe based on the size of the vents that there will be a greater amount of air flowing from the central AC into the clean than the roasting room.

Would it be idiotic not to fully enclose the storage closet (again, I'm not looking to cut corners; any stupid questions stem from astounding ignorance rather than willful disregard for safety)? Perhaps there's a way to bring air from the roasting room into the closet that I have not thought of, other than installing a new AC vent.

Thank you again for your help and patience- I know how busy you must be, and your quick responses are greatly appreciated. The commissary kitchen owner is going to submit final plans in the next day or so- I found out about this project only a few days ago, and it's moving very quickly.

Regards,

Carol

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/28/14 04:06:20
754 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

would you be able to close off the doorway from the 'clean room' to the roasting room, put a hole in the wall for your roaster to discharge into the clean room and seal it up tight, and configure the HVAC such that in your clean room there's more air blowing into it than in the roasting room (positive pressure to keep the dust out)?

CM2
@CM2
05/27/14 17:49:22
6 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Thank you, Sebastian. I was hoping you might see this and have the time to reply! Now that you mention it, I don't see why I couldn't add a second wall to fully segregate the raw bean work area. I've uploaded a basic floor plan that illustrates this (existing walls in black, future walls in gray).

I'll still need to periodically wheel bags of raw beans through a room with the potential to become a food prep area (although this is by no means a certainty), but they will at least be stored, unpacked and processed in a more fully segregated space.

Thank you again- for your reply both on this thread and on the many threads I've mooched off of quietly.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/27/14 17:25:50
754 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Best practice is to store raw beans separately from your finished goods, ideally under a negative pressure room (positive airflow outside the room), and have separate employees/clothes/traffic patterns/air handling systems from finished goods. Airborne dust will be an issue. i'm assuming you're going to have a very difficult time doing that in the space you have available. You might consider a scenario where your 'dirty' room is separated by a physical wall - one one side of the wall you've got your bean storage, roasting, and winnowing - with the discharge of the roaster going through the wall to your 'clean' side, where you mill and make your chocolate. an environmental monitoring program would also be considered best practice to ensure the controls you put in place are effective.

CM2
@CM2
05/27/14 16:10:54
6 posts

Salmonella and Factory Layout


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hello, all! Ive found what seems in many ways an ideal space to begin making chocolate commercially (it is a 570 sq ft room in a building that includes a commissary kitchen, so I would have access to their 3-compartment sink for dishwashing, but otherwise use my space and equipment).

I am concerned about microbial contamination. I plan to have a closet built in my 570 sq ft space for bean storage, and to sort and roast beans immediately outside of the closet. But the location of my unit in relation to the delivery area means wheeling bags of cocoa beans on a dolly through a room that is currently empty but could be used for food prep in the future, and into my room. And I would be sorting and roasting beans at one end of the same room in which Ill refine and temper.

I suppose Ive had the idea that segregating raw bean storage, never using raw bean bowls/utensils to handle finished products, proper hand washing, etc. was the most important factor in avoiding cross contamination. I assumed somehow that salmonella was not likely to become air borne or crawl, and that direct contact was the biggest risk. Yet looking briefly at industry papers and seeing mention of beans stored in entirely separate buildings, people changing clothes before they move between rooms, etc.surely the average artisanal chocolate maker is not following all of these steps, but I am terrified of inadvertently failing to follow some important safety guideline.

I know salmonella has certainly been touched on in other threads, but is there a best practice for bean storage and handling I should be aware of? I would greatly appreciate anyones experience or thoughts on the space I have until today felt so confident about.

Thank you very much.


updated by @CM2: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Ash Maki
@Ash Maki
05/29/14 10:18:29
69 posts

Looking for custom printed bar wrapping, example provided


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

The Revere Group is pretty good too. glerup.com

Mike3
@Mike3
05/26/14 17:25:58
63 posts

Looking for custom printed bar wrapping, example provided


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

These guys could probably do it for you: www.flairpackaging.com

If it needs to be a custom job, then be prepared to spend a few thousand dollars, at least.

good luck!

Stephane Laviolette
@Stephane Laviolette
05/26/14 08:18:24
15 posts

Looking for custom printed bar wrapping, example provided


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Hi,

I have been looking recently to purchase custom printed rolls ( I assume it is delivered in rolls ) wrapping paper for small chocolate bars, I am guessing the same rolls used in wrapping machines, I have attached a sample photo of what I want to have as a finished product.

Now I am not looking at producing huge runs but I want to have a well finished product, the whole process will be done manually and the products would be heat sealed manually.

Can someone point me towards a company, preferably in north america, that can produce such wrappers ?

thank you


updated by @Stephane Laviolette: 04/11/25 09:27:36
jeff goh
@jeff goh
06/18/14 01:53:10
5 posts

tempering chocolate confusion


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You should drop the temperature down further to 28degree celcius and than heat it up back to 32 degree .
him
@him
05/26/14 00:36:32
8 posts

tempering chocolate confusion


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I used to tempering chocolate many time was success, but recently have problem in tempering, I used "seeding method" to tempering and below is my process

300g dark chocolate, 100g for "seed"

step1: melt chocolate the temperature reach about 46C-48C (recommend temperature of chocolate brand)

step2: drop "seed"chocolate in melt chocolate to stirring bring down temperature to 31C-32C

step3: test the result

Why I wasn't success of result? what part have problem? Thank


updated by @him: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Corey Meyer
@Corey Meyer
05/27/14 10:52:34
22 posts

Chocolate in Montreal


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

Thank you Daniel. We will definitely try to get there and hope to meet Mr. Morel as well.

Daniel Herskovic
@Daniel Herskovic
05/27/14 08:18:16
132 posts

Chocolate in Montreal


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

I would head straight to Christophe Morel! I have never been to his shop; however, I have studied with him. He is one of the best chocolatiers in North America for sure!

Corey Meyer
@Corey Meyer
05/25/14 19:38:10
22 posts

Chocolate in Montreal


Posted in: Travels & Adventures

My wife and I are planning a long weekend in Montreal and are looking for some suggestions. What's the best chocolate there? Any other recommendations would be great too!
updated by @Corey Meyer: 04/11/15 20:24:37
Daniela Vasquez
@Daniela Vasquez
05/22/14 23:09:32
58 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

haha I thought so, but I wanted to ask anyway to be certain about it. One never knows :) thank you again.

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/22/14 17:14:02
754 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

As noted earlier you can certainly let it 'rest' in a conche if you'd like, but there's no benefit to doing so. As with anything i suppose, there's an awful lot of urban legend and anecdotal stuff out there, lots of strong beliefs that aren't supported by evidence, or are simply not true. i can't count the number of times someone has passionately stated something as fact simply because, to them, it was what they believe to be truth, and that belief translated to fact for them. they wholeheartedly *believe* they are right. Sadly, no matter how strongly i believe Santa Clause is real, it has no bearing on if he was actually real or not. i don't think anyone's putting misinformation out there intentionally or maliciously - it's simply that they often don't know what they don't know.

Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/22/14 15:10:03
1,689 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Brad -

We are talking something different here I think.

Here at Choklat we don't age it at all, and it's just as good day one out of the refiner as it is having sat on a shelf in a 50lb block for 2 months.

The question at hand is, in part, "Does aging affect chocolate and if so, in what way(s)?"

Are there any discernible changes that take place in your chocolate over the two months? I agree that those changes might be smaller in a large block of 25kg than they would be in a bar of 50 grams, but I have a lot of trouble believing that the two chocolates taste identical.

I have personally tasted bars from Friis Holm (made by Bonnat) and bars from Marco Colzani (C|Amaro outside of Milan in Cassago Brianza) where there were profound differences in the chocolates that could be attributed to aging. I tasted a new bar from Bryan Graham at Fruition a couple of weeks ago that was four days out of the conche. It was wildly interesting (the best thing I've tasted from the Maraon beans) but it had a distinct tannic structure and a "green" taste. Bryan gave me two bars and I am looking forward to tasting it anew, in about 2-3 weeks because I know it will be different.

But I do think it may have to do with style. Many chocolate makers like to make chocolates that don't have all the edges rounded off. They leave in acids and tannins because they think the resulting chocolates are more interesting. You don't I can make a pretty good case that your chocolate may change less via aging because of the way you roast and conche.

It is possible to over-age chocolate and in my experience, delicate top notes are the first to go.

They are all different chocolates, one is not necessarily better than another - they appeal to different consumers.

So no, I don't think aging is a gimmick. Letting it "rest" in the conche for 24 hours and attributing some magic benefits to that rest, is.

Daniela Vasquez
@Daniela Vasquez
05/22/14 08:53:31
58 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

But aging is different from just letting it rest for 24hrs for example. I was just wondering why some people suggest letting the chocolate rest for some days prior to tempering and molding. It's not like chocolate completely solidifies or anything like that but I was thinking maybe it had something to do with crystal structure or improved aroma and flavor?

Gap
@Gap
05/20/14 17:55:12
182 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

There's a good discussion on aging chocolate here

http://chocolatetalk.proboards.com/thread/911/aging-chocolate-temper

which Sebastian had a lot of input to as well

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/19/14 17:53:29
754 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Well, that's a different topic altogether. Aging tempered chocolate does have it's merits, as the kinetics of crystallization and flavor release are very tied together (i've done the studies to know the rate of change over a variety of temperatures and packaging conditions). If you're aging bulk chocolate that will be remelted, the changes are significantly less (they still do exist, but are driven by different mechanisms and likely aren't great enough to be worth the hassle). Chocolate is a fantastically ineffectively oxygen barrier (FAR more air penetrates chocolate than one would think). One should never make flavor decisions on chocolate fresh out of the process, as one's consumers don't consume it in that state or age.

Brad Churchill
@Brad Churchill
05/19/14 14:01:53
527 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

I agree with Sebastian.

Some craft chocolate makers are of the believe that the chocolate "mellows" out after being given a rest. They pour it out of their machines and into blocks and age them.

However..... (and this is simply the pragmatic Brad talking here) If you have a solid block of chocolate sitting on a shelf in your shop, how long will it take for ALL of the chocolate to mellow out? After all, It's only the surface of the chocolate that is exposed to air when it's solid. It's not like the chocolate is pourous, or a live culture as in the case of cheese. Anything under the immediate surface isn't affected.

Simple reasoning in this case would mean that the benefit of "aging" the chocolate would be in immediately tempering it and pouring it into bars, where a much larger surface overall is exposed to air, thereby helping reduce the tannins and astringency.

Further to that, wouldn't it be more intelligent to simply used good quality cocoa beans in the first place, and then roast them properly? If these two steps are taken, I can assure you that the resulting nibs taste better than most 70% bars BEFORE the nibs are made into chocolate and sugar is added. Why? Because the majority of the astringency and bitterness has been fermented and roasted out.

Here at Choklat we don't age it at all, and it's just as good day one out of the refiner as it is having sat on a shelf in a 50lb block for 2 months.

I can see that as more craft chocolate makers emerge, they are going to, as Sebastian said, "spin up a nice story" to differentiate what they do from the others.

Cheers

Brad

Sebastian
@Sebastian
05/19/14 04:15:59
754 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

You can let it rest in the conch if you'd like; however there's no technical benefit to doing to. Marketers could spin up a nice story about it i'm sure.

Daniela Vasquez
@Daniela Vasquez
05/18/14 22:27:23
58 posts

Letting chocolate rest after conching?


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

What is true about that? Is it really necessary to the let chocolate rest once it's out of the conching machine? If so, how much time is needed and why?

I've read this a couple of times before but I'm not sure why it should be done... or not. Supposedly to get rid of some unwanted bitterness in the chocolate?


updated by @Daniela Vasquez: 04/11/25 09:27:36
Clay Gordon
@Clay Gordon
05/22/14 14:31:56
1,689 posts

Huge chocolate conching facility


Posted in: Self Promotion / Spam

Junior:

This appears to me to be a solicitation to sell equipment hidden in a post with some history - or are the conches you are liquidating for sale?

Do you have a source? Or did you author this yourself?

Technically, this is a blog post, so not a forum discussion, so it does not belong here. If you want to sell you conches (and anything else) to members, you have to do it in the classifieds section. If this is your business, then you cannot post classifieds at no charge.

So - is it in poor taste? Maybe. Contact me.

Caitlin Lacey
@Caitlin Lacey
05/22/14 12:41:47
1 posts

Huge chocolate conching facility


Posted in: Self Promotion / Spam

Hey! I would love to ask you some questions. What's your email address?

Thanks,

Caitlin

junior Horn
@junior Horn
05/18/14 10:26:15
3 posts

Huge chocolate conching facility


Posted in: Self Promotion / Spam

The huge chocolate processing plant that I am liquidating has more than 50 large longitudinal conches that measure 12' x 14'.

They are run in tandem by a single 30 hp motor driving two conches.

For many years each time I drove by this plant smell of chocolate was intoxicating.

As I had mentioned in my earlier posts I am new at this. Please tell me if these posts are too long or in poor taste.

The Conche was invented by Rodolphe Lindt in Berne, Switzerland, in 1879.

This invention was a landmark in the production of chocolate.

Chocolate in its various forms has been used by humans for thousands of years. Early chocolate was nothing like the smooth, creamy confection that we enjoy today. It was a course, mostly unsweetened concoction made by grinding raw coco beans and then mixing it with water and adding herbs and spices. The result was a drink that while crude by todays standards was highly regarded as a medicinal, even sacred elixir.

It wasn't until the discovery of the steam engine and the start of the Industrial Revolution that the machines to process raw chocolate into the decadent delights that we enjoy today were invented.

The Conch was one such machine.

It is reported that the discovery was made quite by accident;

One story goes as follows; Mr. Lindt had a batch of chocolate in a stirring machine. It was Friday night and he forgot to turn it off. On Monday morning he discovered his oversight.

Much to his surprise and delight he found that the batch of chocolate was not ruined, but was, in fact the best chocolate that he had ever eaten; it was smooth in his mouth, with less sour notes, it was sweet, but without the sharp sugary sweetness that was characteristic in chocolate of the day. The ingredients that comprise the chocolate were blended into a homogenous, smooth flowing, much improved product.

The early conches were shaped like a seashell, thus the name Conche; the French word for shell.

They used a longitudinal motion, where a cam moved heavy granite roller's back and forth; rolling and smearing the chocolate mass between the rollers and granite bottoms.

These stones beds, rollers and drive cams are shown below:

The intimate contact between the granite rollers and heavy granite slabs, grind the chocolate to a very smooth consistency.

The long grinding time (often days,) combined with the heat produced by the friction of grinding, transforms the chocolate by reducing acids, and imparting a caramelized flavor.

As other ingredients are added the conch blends the various components that are used in the chocolate recipe and also grind them to a smooth, taste bud pleasing, homogenous, mass.

Human taste buds, perceive anything ground finer than 20 microns, to be smooth.

As the individual particles of the various ingredients, pass between the rolls and granite beds their sharp edges are smoothed. As they are smeared into the other ingredients they bond to form a homogenous, pourable liquid, which can be molded and shaped into candy bars and other confections.

As with many industries today, with soaring production cost, chocolate processing companies are often forced to look closely at their bottom line.

They examine every major process to see if it can be done in a more economic manner.

Conching was no exception;

This style Conche has a time honored history of producing an exceptionally smooth product. The cost was that it took time, floor space and extra energy consumption.

Modern conching machines do take up much less space, use less energy and can produce an acceptable product in much less time.

BUT

Many will argue that they do so at the expense of the exquisite taste and texture of long conched chocolate.

I do know that some things like fine wine and Amore just cant be hurried!

I am no expert on the subject, so I would like to hear from you people that are. I would welcome your input on this subject.


updated by @junior Horn: 04/12/15 13:20:00
junior Horn
@junior Horn
05/18/14 10:04:49
3 posts

Vendome Copper Kettles


Posted in: Tech Help, Tips, Tricks, Techniques

Just over 100 years go Vendome copper and brass work's was established. They build brewing and distilling equipment. Then along came prohibition and they were forced to switch to producing items that were not used in alcohol production.

The large plant that I am dismantling has 14 beautiful Vendome, 500 gallon copper vacuum kettles and one 3000 gallon copper vacuum pan.

Besides the fact that copper is an excellent conductor of heat I have heard that cooking in copper imports a special flavor. Can any of you experts provide more information on this subject

I've added some photos.


updated by @junior Horn: 04/11/25 09:27:36
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